One of the advantages of collecting Vintage Citizen Watches is the fact that most of them can be easily dated. This is important for any collector. It is always nice to find a watch that was made the very same year you were born. And guess what, for Citizen you can go even further! You can date it by month also!
How do we do it?
Well… it is a combination of different clues:
1. First of all, we turn the watch over and look at the caseback. Most of the time over there we have a lot of information regarding the case model, the watch model, the material and, very important in dating one, the serial number. This serial number is usually 8 digits. Those 8 digits show the year and the month.
The first digit is an indication of the year. The next two are for the month.
In the example below the first digit is 6 so it can be only a year ending in 6 such as 1956, 1966, 1976 or 1986.
2. The “water resistant” marking illustrates the fact that the watch was made after ’72-’73 because prior to this the term used was “parawater”. So we can narrow it down to 1976 or 1986. Read about “Parawater” here: https://vintagecitizenwatches.com/2013/12/26/citizen-parawater-citizen-parashock/
3. After we identified the serial and the possible year we go deeper. We look at the model and at the movement. Certain models and movements indicate a specific time frame so it is easy to identify the exact year. We know this model was not made so late as 1986 so it is made in 1976.
4. The next two digits are 07 so the month is the seventh one – July.
5. By putting all the information together a Vintage Citizen Watch can be, this way, dated. The watch here is made in 1976, July.
Read more about Citizen history here: https://vintagecitizenwatches.com/2013/12/26/citizen-history-from-1924/
Good article. Thanks for that.
What are the two sets of numbers below the serial number? In the process of dating the watch I mentioned in another post I see that it has the same number below the SN:
GN 4-5
Below that is this number:
7750-770692Y
At first I thought this was the movement number, but then realised that the 7750 is the Valjoux chronograph movement which obviously is Swiss.
The watch is indeed Parawater so it looks likely it is from the 1960s.
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Thank you!
GN 4-5 is the case type
7750-770692Y – is the case number
Here is a short article about the term “Parawater” :
https://vintagecitizenwatches.com/2013/12/26/citizen-parawater-citizen-parashock/
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I was given 2 citizen watches about 20 years ago that belonged to my great grandmother. 1 stainless steel and the other gold plated I’m trying to figure out how old they are and whether they are valuable. The gold plated one has j702 and 5040585 on the back of it. It has a stretchy type band.
Would you have any info on it?
Thanks.
Kylie
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Sorry for the late reply, I was out for a short “time off”. The info you provided is not enough. Is there a chance to post a picture or two?
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Hello guys!
Awesome blog!
Id have a Citizen that my father used on his wedding with my mother, in 1975. I sent the watch to repair and now its running. With your information, I discover that the watch was made in August, 71 (I dont believe its a 61, and 81 was after the wedding), but if you do have any kind of information beside that, I appreciate! This is what is written on back: Citizen / Stainless Steel / Parawater, and inside that is 4-740068-K / Automatic / 10800631 / 68-5097. Thank you so much!
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Hello Leandro! I am happy you like the blog and you find it useful. It is a good thing that you serviced the watch! Even though it is not highly collectable it is awesome to have your fathers watch. Wear it in good health! Yes, the watch is made in August 71. The 68-5097 is the model, and the 4-740068-K is the case model.
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Thank you very much!!! And thanks to you I was talking to my father yesterday on the phone (we live 3000 km away from eachother, unforntunately) I said “Dad, your watch was made in August 1971! That bad boy has 44 years!” He became quiet for a while, then “yeah, yeah….I remember that now…yeah…. I bought it just before I’ve finished my military service son!!! I remember now!” This is priceless my friend! Thanks to bring this memorable moment with me and my father!
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That is such a nice story! I am so happy! You know, I have my father’s Citizen too. 🙂 He bought it in the year when I was born. (a quartz Citizen). Cherish that watch my friend! Bogdan
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Dear Bogdan,
Great blog! I was looking some details for my dad’s watch and came across your blog. So far I spent several hours! I have few questions and I’m sure you have the replies 🙂
My dad gave me his watch. As you asked to someone else, I have linked its 2 photos. ( https://goo.gl/photos/koTQoZDxPdCfAqYu9 )
1) Back of the watch it is written as 4-280865 KT and on bezel 8200-281770-KY. Which one is correct?
2) I’ve calculated production date as September’80. Is it correct?
3) Watch hasn’t been used for 15 years and I’m sure no maintenance has been done. Fortunately it is still working.. I took the watch to repair, the man told me that the glass has been replaced (my dad’s brain is still healthy and he doesn’t remember it 🙂 As you will see bezel is quite dirty and glass replacement can be the reason behind it. Is it possible?
4) the man suggested to replace the glass again (because it is cracks at edges). during the replacement, can bezel be cleaned ?
5) last but not least, polishing, mechanical maintenance and glass replacement will cost ~80$ here in Turkey; is it similar at your country?
Thanks a lot for such a perfect blog, I’m ready to support if you need any help from Turkey. Cheers!
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Thank you for your words and for interest in my blog! I am happy you like it.
1 – Both are correct. They are codes for the case (the first) and code for the dial (the second)
2 – Yes, that is correct.
3 – Probably, but not sure. A watchmaker inspecting the watch can give the right answer
4 – It seems that it can be cleaned
5 – About the same price.
Thank you so much! All the best my friend!
Bogdan 🙂
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Hello my friend,
I realised that I forgot to say thank you for your fast & detailed answers 🙂 MANY THANKS!
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Any time, my friend! 😉
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Hi,
I have just acquire an NOS of a Citizen Automatic. The dial has this – Japan 6501-659586KA at the bottom. I picked it because of the movement 6501 but have no details on the model. The case back says 4-653751K and below that 61-8454. Could you help me with this.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi! The model is 61-8454. 😉
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Hi. I found an vintage citizen watch sitting in my closet , can you date the watch please, and also the price. Thanks
Details-
Dial : P-8200-989870-KY
Back : 4-283449 KT
60701507
71-3759
GN-4W-S
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Hello and welcome to the blog! 🙂 Here is how you can date a Citizen: https://vintagecitizenwatches.com/2014/02/23/dating-a-vintage-citizen-watch/ I don’t make evaluations, sorry. Try posting some photos I might have more info.
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I own two citizen watches, which I have used for many years. Just how many is a good question. I actually don’t recall whether I bought them in the 70s or 80s.
6100 K2759 CKK
2073631
GN-4-W
6100 K02741 CKW
6020267
GN-4-W
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Could you post some pictures with at least the face and the case backs?
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Hi, I have just bought a ladies gold tone citizen automatic watch with date and weekday. The numbers on the back are:
4-r02114- rw,
40901748,
gn-4w-s.
The rest says Citizen Watch co. Water resist. Base Metal YP.
I have established that it that it was probably made in September 1974 but what do the last 5 digits of the serial number mean? And what would the approximate value of it be? It works perfectly and has been keeping time since I bought it so I don’t expect to have to service it any time soon.
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Probably it is made in ’84. And The last digits are just an identification of this particular watch. Nothing special, each watch got its own number. Enjoy it in good health! 😉
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Thank you. The strap is a little short. Where would one be able to get extra links?
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Read this, it might help:
https://vintagecitizenwatches.com/2016/04/10/citizen-parts-for-repair-and-restoration/
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Hi! Great article on dating Citizen Watches! I have a Newmaster that i wish to restore.
Caseback info are as follows:
PARAWATER
4-180615 Y
20102268
63-1019
In front, On the dial, It says:
CITIZEN
NEWMASTER (Next to the 9 position)
21 JEWELS
PARAWATER (Next to the 3 position, Date Window)
(Applied Crown Logo on 12 position)
On the Movement, Chiseled:
CITIZEN
21 JEWELS
Thank you very much and looking forward to more great stuff!
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Hello Richard! Congrats on your watch and thank you for your words! I am happy you find the info here useful. 🙂
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Hi. Trying to date a Citizen with the guide, but It seems impossible. The serial number is 11524720, so using the guide It should be x1 for the year, but 15 for the month. Any help? Thanks.
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Could you please add some pictures?
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My father brought this watch for me when I was very young. it looks I have a 1977 june
it wold have put me a 11 yo. I remember the the band being to big to size and they put a stretch flex ban on it I wore it that way till the mid 80’s they the citizen came loose in side and got stuck inn the day date and it went in to my draw. after years of looking at the watch every so often i took it and got a proper band and the watch it self fixed. I just picked it up and would like for information on it. it is fun to have it back and wearing it
citizens Automatic day and date
4-164610SMT
70627796
71-9030
Japan / All stainless / Water Resistant
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Hello Frank! It is a nice story and it is always very nice to have the first watch. Unfortunately I can’t see the pics but on the data you wrote the watch was indeed made in June 1977.
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can’t seem to get photos to down load properly for you I found out it is a 8200 movement
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Nice, simple, reliable movement. 😉
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Hola buenas tengo una consulta.
me entregaron el reloj de mi abuela y sale lo siguiente:
CITIZEN
watch co.
water resistant
All stainless stell
4-754280 TA
1030277
48-1335
GN-4W-S
JAPAN
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I don’t understand. Please use English. Thanks!
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Hi! Great article on dating Citizen Watches! I have a titanuim world drive that i cant figure out the date !.
Caseback info are as follows:
Water resist 100m
GN-4W-UL
0855-MO1113 TA
651145
Base titanuim t1
In front, On the dial, It says:
CITIZEN
Quartz
Here is link to pic :
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/7CvgW7M
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I cant see the pics but I doubt the fact that it is vintage.
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And thank youuu
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Welcome!
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Hi
After trawling the internet for hours trying to find some help regarding a citizen watch that I have acquired, I was wondering if you could tell me if it was real or fake?
Its a rectangular cream face gold tone watch with a 5-link wide strap. There isnt any logo on face except for the words ‘Citizen quartz’ and at bottom, ‘Japanese movt 6010-N43821-??’
on the back it says:
Citizen watch co.
water resist
base metal ypm
6010-s51482 HSB
550127
GN-0-S *looks like an imprinted arrow* 6
Any help would be much appreciated
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Sorry, I am only into mechanical watches.
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I have citizen watch with the following info on the back – 2030-069978 SMO under this is 2061212 and under this is 31-05001
Can’t work out what it means – have some pics if that helps.
Many thanks
Bruce McCarroll
Auckland, NZ
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A few pics would be great.
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Can’t see how to post pics
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Upload them to tinypic.com and post the link here. 😉
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Hi there,
Thanks for the great article! It’s awesome to have so much info on these -in my opinion overlooked – watches.
I was lucky to get my hands on a 8110A on eBay.
I am trying to find out the production year and I am confused. I understand the watches where made between 1972 and 1980. Following your manual it could be 71 or 81?
4-901045 TA
10403152
GN-4-S
67-9119
Japan
SSB
I am guessing 1981 April?
Thanks for the help!
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Yes, 81 April. 😉
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Thanks for confirming!
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My pleasure! it might take a while.
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I found this watch in parking lot, keeps great time! on the back is following info. G.P 4-540166 T , 00201088, 62-5221. around the back is; citizen, automatic, parawater. The face is gold tone, has date window, has hours 12 and 6. under the 12 has citizen, 21 jewels. above the 6 has automatic, waterproof. Is this a 1970 watch? great watch.
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February 1970.
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do you know roughly when these were made , serial number starts 012 so i’m guessing dec …..? cheers.
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sorry pic link didn’t work, https://imgur.com/SoHN5Mf, model is 6100-S15443
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Probably Dec 1980. I am not into quartz.
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Awesome Article. Found and old Citizen and trying to date it. The numbers are as follows
3220-893441SMO
5100994
32-9444
The issue is that the watch has not got ‘waterproof’ or ‘parawater’ printed on it.
Is this common or a sign of a knockoff??
Thank you very much
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Can you post some pictures?
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My Apologies for the late reply. I didnt realise you had replied back.
Watch https://imgur.com/gallery/gW9Gtjq
Wishing you a Merry Christmas and Happy new year
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Happy New Year! 🙂
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HI THERE I FOUND A WATCH ON THE ROAD AND ON THE DIAL ITS SAYS CITIZEN QUARTZ UP TOP AND ON THE BOTTOM SAYS. W R 50 JAPAN MOVT-5510-R56629-KA. AND ON THE BACK OF THE WATCH SAYS. CITIZEN WATCH CO. WATER RESIST BASE METAL PDPG 5510-R13892 RC 950119 GN-4-S 5 CAN TELL ME THE YEAR AND AGE OF IT AND WHAT IT’S WORTH THANK.
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I am only into mechanical ones.
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My Apologies for the late reply. I didnt realise you had replied back.
Watch https://imgur.com/gallery/gW9Gtjq
Wishing you a Merry Christmas and Happy new year
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No worry! Merry Christmas!
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Good morning , I was given a watch from my late Uncle . Parawater Citizen Automatic
CGP 4-600258Y
10320382
62-8522
It looks gold plated plated , as some of the plating has rubbed off , would you know if this watch is worth any value . Its is in good working order
regards
Phil
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If it has sentimental value to you, then yes, it has value.
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Hello Guy,
My name is Xavier,It is possible to contact you by private message outside of social networks please.
Thank advance for your response
Kind regards
Xavier
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Hello! Sure. What is it all about? I will not make it public.
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I wrote you on your email.
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First of all awesome site… I’m having so much fun reading everything.
My grandfather used to fix watches when I was very young and I would sit and watch him and that is where I got my love for watches.. So I recently acquired 3 old watches from someone who was selling of their grandfather who passed aways belongings… 1 is an 1968 Timex, 1 is a Dolphin and 1 is a Citizen. I’m having trouble dating the Citizen as the backplate only have 4 digits and on the front it says ACitizeno… Please if you can assist.
On the front it says the following.
ACITIZENO
17 JEWELS
SHOCKPROOF
Thank you and regards.
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Oh I forgot… On the backplate the 4 digits are 2392…
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Never heard of Acitizeno. Probably nbot Citizen. Posts some pics and show the movement too. 😉
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I have this watch with these number below can you give me any information on this and maybe a rough value:
CITIZEN WATCH CO
WATER RESIST
BASE METAL YPM
4-R10761 RG
ONO987
GN-4W-S
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I don’t make evaluations, sorry.
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Can you give me any information on it?
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Nothing special, sorry, Just a common watch.
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Bonsoir a tous,
Lecture très intéressante et éclairante, je suis l’heureux possesseur d’une 52-0110 de 1978 car son numéro est :81000101, c’est une plongeuse magnifique en super état mais j’ai le souci de me procurer une tige de remontoir pour remplacer celle cassée de la montre, si un lecteur de ce blog pouvait m’aider dans mes recherches, je serais très très heureux .
Heureux été a tous et merci de m’avoir prété attention .
Bernard du Gers
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Hello,
I own a Citizen chronograph I received as a gift around 1974.
Would you be able to help me decode the year and month when it was made, please?
CITIZEN | AUTOMATIC | WATER |RESISTANT |GN-4W-5
BL5
8100
4-900022-K
3120733
67-9551
Thank you,
Alfonso F.
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December 1973
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Hello,
yesterday I posted a question about dating a vintage Citizen chronograph watch but it was deleted.
Why was it deleted?
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It was not deleted. I had to approve it in order to appear here. Check again.
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Sorry ..
thank you for replying.
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